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naked in john boehner's office, three were arrested. all the girls. john stanton said there are actually people who woke up today and said today, i'm going to get buck naked in front of john boehner's staff and so it is. getting naked is a tactic. a protest tactic and judging by the wide eyed tweets as it happened, today, nudity worked. see you again tomorrow night. now, it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >>> when kelly corey won the oscar for her first screen play 20 years ago, she had no idea that the heroes of her film, thelma and louise were going to become political role models. >> white house is continue to warn of dire consequences for the middle class. >> on friday, he'll return to the stumps. >> he's back on the campaign trail. >> the campaign style tour. >> trying to drum up public support for his budget priorities. >> seems like just another fight in washington. >> there are really two issues there. >> a revenue side, yes. >> where is that revenue going to come from? >> increasing tax rates is going to harm dmik growth. >> warren buffett was out this mornin
and the senate majority leader's office and john boehner's office, the house republicans. but so far what we've seen, at least in the principal, is really just highlighting the differences and how stark the differences are. yes, there have been some republicans who have publicly said they are open to poe tengts tax increases, revenue increases, but even more so we're seeing this entrenchment over the military spending cuts, the unwilling nness to see that and we're seeing on the democratic side the idea that maybe it wouldn't be so bad if we went over the fiscal cliff and kicked the can down the road to the next congress which will be more favorable from the liberal perspective to negotiating on these big picture issues. frankly, i think it would be harder to have a compromise on son-in-law of the entitlement reform that republicans want to see, at least some movement before they will agree before this talk of raising taxes will be anything more than the lip service that you mentioned. >> okay. so ken is suggesting there it's in republicans' interests to do a deal now. jared, the white house
speaker john boehner is flipping his lid over obama care again. he has no leverage, but now he wants the affordable care act on the table in fiscal cliff negotiations. congressman elijah cummings will respond. papa john's plays politics with pizza and the people fight back. >> no, no, no, no. >> we'll tell you about the pizza maker's face-saving move. and republicans never rest. ohio senator turner on the effort to block the vote in 2016. >>> and political comedian, baratunde thurston on how to talk to this guy at thanksgiving. ♪ i want my country back, country back, country back ♪ . >>> good evening, folks. thanks for watching. someone needs to sit down with the republicans and explain to them how negotiations work. when you have no leverage, you don't get to make outlandish statements and demands. house speaker john boehner recently called himself the most reasonable man in washington, but in an editorial for the cincinnati enquirer today, boehner took the very unreasonable position of including obama care in debt negotiations. "the president's health care law adds a massive, e
. will it last? we have top officials from both sides "outfront" tonight. and speaker of the house john boehner put obama care on the table. he says if we're serious about getting our financial house in order, obama care has to go. is he crazy? or crazy like a fox? let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett. and "outfront" tonight, cease-fire. 142 people were killed in gaz why and five in israel, egypt helped negotiate a temporary truce which took effect at 9:00 at night in tel aviv. it was met with gunfire in the streets of gaza city. it is fragile. israeli defense forces say there are five rockets launched from gaza since the cease-fire went into effect. and prime minister benjamin netanyahu's statement was cautious. he said he was willing to give the egyptian cease-fire a chance before there is a need to use greater force. not exactly a ringing endorsement. here's the key thing, while the united states got involved with a visit from hillary clinton this deal was not brokered by the usa. >> this is a critical moment for the region. egypt's new government is assuming the res
to meet with leaders of the business world this afternoon politico is reporting that john boehner and his leadership team are making plans to meet with some of these very same executives. now the irony here is that obama and boehner still have no plans to meet themselves face-to-face. the two did meet before congress' thanksgiving recess along with the other two three members of the house and the senate. they had plans to meet again this week but still nothing is scheduled. it is not a great sign and shows that the two groups are practically incapable of working together. the last time obama and boehner tried putting together a big deal over the budget, that completely collapsed and this time around, the american people are getting less and less optimistic that congress will be able to reach a deal before the tax hikes and spending cuts kick in just 33 days. it is going to look bad for congress if they cannot get this done and some republicans are saying it's time to give in. politico's also reporting oklahoma representati
are meeting with the white house chief staff. john boehner is having some meetings with business leaders. meanwhile, the staff of the senate and the house and the white house are all meeting -- this purpose of avoiding the fiscal cliff which is now 35 days off or something. so first of all, two questions. how serious is it and what do you think is going to happen? >> it is potentially very serious that is if we hit the fiscal cliff and go over it and it stays in place. the deficit falls by $600 billion, the largest one-year reduction in history but will throw the economy back into a recession. unemployment will go from 7.9% currently to over 9%. i don't think that's going to happen. i do think we'll go over the cliff, not have a deal before it happens. i think it will be fixed shortly after this -- after they storm the castle with pitch forks and torches but this is potentially the worst fiscal policy since the end of the great depression when we went into an austerity program too early and threw the economy back i
and merciful. but he may not be so nice with the republican. turns out, speaker john boehner is back to his old tricks, refusing to compromise in the debt talks and holding the middle class hostage. even right after the election two weeks ago, he was all sunshine and smiles. >> i'm the most reasonable, responsible person here in washington. the president knows this. he knows that he and i can work together. the election is over, now it's time to get to work. it's pretty clear that the president was re-elected. obama care is the law of the land. >> i'm reasonable. i'm responsible. obama care's the law of the land. now, there's a guy the president can work with, right? wrong. politico says that boehner's opening offer to the president is to keep the bush tax cuts, cut entitlements, and postpone cuts to the pentagon. in other words, they haven't budged at all. how is that compromise? how is that reasonable? but it gets worse. speaker boehner now says the health care law should go under the knife. boehner says, quote, we can't afford it. we can't afford to leave it in tact. that's why i've been cle
. and you look everybody is saying it, john boehner, mitch mcconnell peter king lindsay graham, on and on and on. all of these republicans coming out and saying we agree, you can't do it by spending cuts alone. you have got to raise revenues and we're on board, and we're willing to break the grover norquist pledge. these guys have totally recognized the american people agree with obama, and so therefore they are going to change their ways. here is my advise to all of you, all right. don't believe it. this is a con game. this is a shell game that the republicans are playing. let's listen to some of the voices. here for example is saxby channedless. it's valid now but times have changed significantly. and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year old pledge. >> bill: oh, yeah. he is setting himself up there as oh, man, i love my country, more than i love grover norquist. peter king yesterday. >> i agree entirely, a pledge you signed 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1841 i would have signed the declaration of war agai
. speaker john boehner deserves some leeway to try to mitigate the damage by negotiating a larger tax reform. leeway to negotiate sounds pretty sane to me. for some, of course, that's a great big lump of coal wrapped up as an early christmas present. >> revenue that happens to be the democratic code word for tax increases. that is simply not an acceptable position for any true conservative. republicans were not elected to rubber stamp obama's agenda. >> seems some news personalities may be taking a tax increase on the highest earners somewhat personally. anyway, republicans didn't win the white house or the senate. i wonder what other conservatives have to say about that. >> the republicans are in a shocking amount of disarray right now. the republican party has not developed an alternative idea set other than what mitt romney and paul ryan were campaigning on and sort of by default it has become their opening negotiation position. >> i see. so their opening position is the one that was vigorously debated and comprehensively defeated just three weeks ago. i guess the only question now is, wh
've been defeated on this. what has to change is their attitude on this. >> oh, is john boehner going to be pissed when he finds out mitt romney lost the election. if they let him out of that time machine, he might be something. the thing i find humorous about this, as well as about the whole issue of taxes and whether or not we should repeal the bush tax cuts, is that republicans do seem to have decided that the election that just happened didn't really happen. and that they are going to propose pretty much all of mitt romney's ideas as their negotiating starting point. well, we just -- >> we needed paul ryan actually to help get the job done. >> even having paul ryan talk about it. it's amazing. they decided while mitt romney lost the election, his ideas, they think won. i don't know how they get there. >> i feel like what they're trying to do is say, we lost, never mind but we're going to keep doing what we do. if we keep saying it enough, maybe -- >> i read that -- john boehner's op-ed pretty carefully. here's one thing he said. he said there are three ways to take down obama care
the republicans agree with the president? well, that about turned speaker john boehner's blood into a red river valley of rage. >> i told tom earlier in our conference meeting that i disagreed with him. you're not going to grow the economy if you raise tax rates on the top -- on the top two rates. it will hurt small businesses. will hurt our economy. >> taxing the rich hurts small business, yes, the very familiar offerings of one mitt romney. losing presidential candidate. who will be enjoying a free government lunch tomorrow at the white house at the invitation of the president. not sure what will be on the menu, but many are betting on a generous serving of crow with a beet salad. let's go to our panel, with him y william cohen, and here in new york is msnbc political analyst jonathan alter, also a columnist for the "bloomberg view." the president is pressing his case hard for a deal on middle class tax relief. secretary geithner will head to the hill. is john boehner now facing the rising tide against his yacht owners and the like? >> i think he is. a 60-37 margin on supporting raising taxes
to go back to the negotiations he had with john boehner in the summer, and they've done a lot of work. those guys got pretty close in the summer of 2011. now the president has more leverage. the tea party part of the house republican caucus is in a less powerful position and less fired up. we're pretty far away from the 2010 elections now. john boehner is trying to exercise some kind of power and tell those people that he needs them to stay in line. i think, you know, the tax thing, i keep trying to -- to me it seems obvious what's going to happen. that the bush tax cuts are all going to expire on january 1st. and then they're going to reinstitute the ones for people making under $250,000 a year. republicans will not vote to do a partial thing, right? because they regard that as raising taxes. they won't vote for it. we'll go past january 1st. then when democrats offer to reinstate the tax cuts for those making $250,000 a year, republicans will vote for that. that's another tax cut. it seems to me this solves the republican problem, which is that we won't vote to raise rates. that's h
person doesn't agree with tom cole who i showed in the opening and that's speaker john boehner. let me show you what the speaker had to say. >> i told tom earlier in our conference meeting that i disagreed with him. the goal here is to grow the economy and control spending. you're not going to grow the economy if you raise tax rates on the top two rates. we're willing to put revenue on the table as long as we're not raising rates. >> so, joy, boehner is not exactly ready to go along with the american people, it seems. >> i think what you just saw there, rev, was a man waiting for bated breath on january 3rd, hoping that every day gets shorter and shorter and shorter as long as we're still in the lame duck congress and tea party members are still there. i think john boehner still has an ounce of fear that he will lose that vote. so he's always watching his right flank. i think boehner will be in a stronger position if we get to january 3rd and there isn't a deal and he can force a deal on his tea party members but this is a guy who still has to message to the right. this deal would have
or to clear another challenge before the supreme court. it is law and even john boehner knows it. >> you had said next year that you would repeal the health care vote. that still your mission? >> i think the election changes that. it is pretty clear that the president was re-elected and obama care is the law of the land. >> that was boehner less than two weeks ago. it was pretty clear that mission repeal obama care had failed. the voters had spoken and obama care as speaker boehner said is the law of the land. republicans weren't super happy about that message. they thought boehner was getting a little squishy, giving up a fight. that election we just had. the one where voters re-elected the obama care guy, the one that had obama in his name, that was but a flesh wound. today boehner wrote an op-ed to the cincinnati inquirer which begins with, quote, president obama has won re-election but as was the case before the election, obama care has to go. if you read on in his op-ed, things get a little strange. boehner went on to share the big plan which is, quote, over the past couple of years i h
, which will raise the top tax rates and therefore is rejecting john boehner's conciliatory idea of limiting tax deductions. is that the way it is? boehner just got dissed today? >> i think the president is reminding republicans that they lost and that after a vigorous come pain with many of the same ideas that the republicans are trying to defend now, that's goinged not -- if he's serious, he'll willing to make a deal but he's not willing to make a bad deal. on that the president is very firm. >> i wonder if he doesn't want high tax rates and caps on deductions so he can have more revenue to spend. the reason i have that logic is once again today at this campaign rally, or whatever today was, he didn't mention the word spending cut, never once. >> it's not in his vocabulary. one thing we know about president obama is he campaigns to the middle but he kind of straights from the left and what i fully anticipate is there's a reason why dick durbin, who was his senate partner from oil know, is saying which they went to 100% tax rate on million favors and people making above 250,000,
among house speaker john boehner's tax-resistant republicans. >> i don't want to prejudge any of this. the bottom line, we can't have a sequestration, we have to show the world we're adults. the election is over. >> reporter: and president obama won. vowing to raise taxes on the wealthy. another republican saxby chambliss of georgia, in a recent interview, says he's no longer bound by a pledge not to raise taxes. >> the pledge i signed 20 years ago was valid then. it's valid now but times have changed significantly, and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> reporter: but raising taxes is only one-half of a deficit deal. republicans want democrats to raise the eligibility age for medicare. >> i want entitlement reforms. republicans put revenue on the table, democrats always promise to cut spending. i'm looking for more revenue for entitlement reform before the end of the year. >> reporter: so far democrats sound lex flexible. >> we've got to make sure there is seamless coverage of afordable health coverage for every a
piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i think it will be a democratic buildup than a republican buildup. but there's no doubt that if eric cantor is willing to at least vote on a deal that has new revenue, that that is a huge paradigm shift. and i think that gives us all hope, although there's still a long way to go, that there can be a deal that has the president has said for a long time, a balanced approach. >> but ruth, what are the democrats willing to give, because there are some democrats, some of the more liberal democrats who are saying let's go over the cliff. that gives us more leverage. >> there's extremes in both parties that say let's go over the cliff. grover norquist was saying it the other day. i just want to -- before we get to the democrats, i want to be debbie downer for a minute on the republican side. i totally agree with mark. we're hearing
money expers will help put pressure on both sides to sko compromise. here was speaker john boehner just moments ago. >> it's time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem that our country has. but i'm optimistic. >> let's bring in democratic strategist and former kerry deputy campaign manager steve elmendorf and former gingrich senior adviser david winston. good to see you both. >> good to be here. >> david, something else speaker boehner said moments ago, as you know, congressman tom cole broke with most of the rest of republicans saying, look, we should just take the tax breaks for people making under $250,000 a year and worry about the upper-income folks later. john boehner just said no, he doesn't agree with that. what do you think's going to happen here? >> well, the next couple weeks as we begin to sort of lay out these sort of contrasting positions that the president and the speaker have, look, what the spoker's focused on here is, yes, we obviously need to raise more revenue. there's a disagreement in terms between the president and the speaker i
appointed, new right young thing of the party and listening to john boehner's comments when asked if he's the leader of the party, there's disagreement in the party and bears remembering every time we have done this in the past election cycles, thought object who the likely candidates were, almost none of them ended up being the likely candidate. mitt romney is an exception and perceived to be a credible front-runner of 2012 and tim pawlenty. >> experience of '08? >> yeah. my point is -- >> traction. >> we project forward based on who's the luminaries now. it often is someone we're not looking at under current dynamics and doing 18 or 19 i guess the likelihood of one of the 20 the people -- >> primaries again. now let's talk about the fiscal cliff and house and senate leaders expected to meet with the president next week and hopefully negotiations will continue. staffers reportedly have made little progress over the last week. politico is writing this saying that the gop's opening offer, the sources said would freeze the bush era tax rates, change the inflation can clated for entitlemen
negotiations are off to a bumpy start. house speaker john boehner wrote an op-ed yesterday calling for the president's health care law to be part of the fiscal talks. the white house told the "huffington post" the president opposes that. joining me now from washington, nbc white house correspondent kristen welker and neil irwin. welcome to both of you. happy holiday. >> happy holidays, alex. >> kristen, politico said the negotiations are off to a rough start. what do you see as the likelihood of a deal before the end of the year? >> alex, i think they are off to a relatively rough start. president obama expected to invite congressional leaders back to the white house next week after the holiday, but it seems at this point aides are trying to hammer out the beginnings of the deal. republicans seem to be digging in their heels on the issue of taxes, saying they don't want to see the bush era tax cuts expire for the wealthiest americans. of course, that is something the democrats have been adamant about. so they're stuck on this old issue of taxes. and also stuck on the issue of entit
to prejudge it. and we should not be taking iron clad positions. i have faith in john boehner. >> congressman, we have seen this movie before. the bottom line question and, what can speaker boehner sell? if he goes to them and says, look, we cut a deal here, but tax rates have to go up. actual tax rates have to go up on the wealthy, like senator levin just said. can he sell it? >> i think john is going to do all he can to avoid an increase in tax rates. but as senator levin said, you can get the same results by changing deductions, changing exemptions, and that would put more of a tax burden on the rich but it would not affect marginal tax rates. i don't want to prejudge any of it. bottom line, we cannot have sequestration. we cannot go off the fiscal cliff. the election is over. we have a speaker. the democrats have a president. the democrats have harry reid. we have mitch mcconnell. get them in the room. and that's what representative governments should be about. no one gets all they want. if reagan and o'neal can do it, r boehner and obama should be able to do this. >> the last attempt at
asking a question about something. you find out what people -- you and about john boehner, you don't ask about the fiscal cliff or the tax plan. they ask if john boehner is gay. is joe biden, stupid, retards, gay, jewish, smart? these are the smart. these are the things that pop up. >> gay is like always. >> gay is up there. mormon is up there a lot. bill belichick, the patriots coach, is bill bielichick gay, mormon, a cheater. >> sideline cheater. >> it's interesting that this profile, i think people don't maybe appreciate that everything you're searching -- there are people who are putting this all together and saying that's who this guy is. >> that reminds me of a funny story from thanks lelast year. a guy on twitter told his dad twitter was a search engine. so his dad started entering questions into twitter and they went up as posts. some examples, how do you pronounce juan? national geographic dinosaur truth. can i bring a tupperware of chili on an airplane. i don't know if this was real or fake but it was really, really funny. people don't realize, the internet is not a gated commu
tweet me @wolfblitzer. >>> out front next today, president obama and speaker of the house john boehner both hint that a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff is on the way. possibly in time for santa. i asked republican john cornyn whether he thinks that is a reality. >>> and governor romney sits down with the president since the election, actually since the debates. does this do either of them any good? rick santorum is out front. and julian assange is out front to answer critics and our questions tonight. let's go "out front." >>> good evening, everyone. i'm erin burnett, outfront tonight, an early christmas miracle. or at least the glimmer of one today. barack obama bringing glad ti tidings of great joy to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> i will go anywhere and do anything it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. >> and john boehner, not to be outdone, put a little early present under the tree too. >> i'm optimistic that we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> these are pretty glum faces to deliver those present
by christmas. >> hoping to get some positive comments from john boehner. he is optimistic. a nice little boost. from negative to positive to the session highs, no 50 points away from dow 13,000 once again. the dow once again up 73 points. you have a lot of winners. the banking index is still under some pressure, but retailers are really stealing the show. many are doing well for a variety of reasons. take a look at costco. the money they're paying out to shareholders ahead of the fiscal cliff wall to get the dividend ahead of the higher tax rate, so costco joins many come over 100 companies that have done much of the same. paying out dividends so you can pay less taxes. melissa: thank you so much. lori: so thoughtful of the company. president obama invited middle-class americans to the white house to showcase those would be most affected a certain tax cuts are not extended. peter barnes live at the white house. >> 85 middle-class taxpayers joining the president at this event part of a pr push to drive them to extend tax cuts for middle-class taxpayers let them expire for wealthier taxpayers. t
correspondent mike emanuel is following that story. >> speaker john boehner a central figure in cutting a deal says republicans offered a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff through the significant spending cuts and tax reform and are committed to working with the president. >> this is one reason why we believe we put revenue on the table. as long as it's accompanied by serious spending cuts. to avert this crisis. >> texas senator john cornyn says the bipartisan simpson-bowles deficit plan offered meaningful savings worth pursuing. >> they identified $1.1 trillion tax expenditures, benefits, deduction, credit and the like that could be cut as part of grand bargain. we ought to look at that. we need to flatten the code, simplify it and make it pro-growth. >> on the democratic side, senate majority leader harry reid told reporters he would like credit for what congress previously cut. >> we have already done a billion dollars worth of cuts. >> today, the top democrat in the house took a similar approach. >> i think it's important to note we have already agreed to $1.5 trillion in cuts in the budget c
, at&t. you see the signs here, just to name a few. on the republican side, house speaker john boehner says the gop has done its part and now it is time for the democrats to show their cards on spending cuts. >> we all know that we have had this spending crisis coming at us like a freight train. and it has to be dealt with. and in order to try to come to an agreement, republicans are willing to put revenue on the table, but it is time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem that our country has. >> president obama and speaker boehner's last face to face meeting on the fiscal cliff was 12 days ago. though apparently they did talk over the phone this weekend. if the president and congress do not cut a deal, let me repeat myself here, massive tax hikes and spending cuts automatically kick in the first of next year. joining me now from washington is representative marcia blackbird, a house republican, represents the seventh district of tennessee which covers some of the suburb s between nashvile and memphis. nice to see you. thanks for coming on today. >>
or, b, limit deductions. but you know what the speaker of the house said the other day, john boehner, he said he's willing to do the latter. now you just saw what chambliss said. so is the era of grover and his you ubiquitous pledge over? >> no. i think grover deserves a great deal of credit for keeping that pledge to the american people and holding republicans' feet to the fire. gregg: is it over now? >> no. we have a different set of circumstances. perhaps what the democrats should have had is their own grover norquist on spending, and we wouldn't be in the mess we find ourselves in. but here's the reality, gregg.me for the status quo. nothing's changed since two months ago. we have basically the same makeup in government. obama controls the white house, we control the house, democrats controls the senate. but guess what? the american people don't expect a status quo in governance. gregg: there's a recent rasmussen poll and, juan, i want you to take a look as well, 57% agree that raising taxes on those making more than $250,000 a year is a good idea. can you put that up on the scre
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reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner, nancy pelosi will be serious. going over the cliff doesn't make any sense. >> we all remember the t.a.r.p. vote that you reference. that really didn't come to a resolution until the markets -- i would argue -- scared washington. i wonder how important you think that is this time? do stocks need to fall before the two sides really get committed at the table? >> that is a terrific question. that's the main question. in two days we lost 1,600 points in the markets. it took us a lot longer time to come back and recover. i sat there and stared defeat in the face. we can't do it now. the markets will respond to certainty. that's what congress needs to give american business and american people. certainty about taxes. certainty about spending in congress and certainty about our commitment to lower the debt. >> how do you argue that you are considering all elements of reform if in fact you're going to stick by the norquist pledge. is there anything wrong with as senator graham has said with saying i made that pledge back then but my job is to be a senator
, and norah. the president and house speaker john boehner spoke by phone over the weekend. top aides in the house and senate tell us that negotiations at this point are just taking place between the president's staff and speaker boehner's staff. that's because any deal that involves raising tax revenue is going to face its biggest challenge in the republican-led house. top republicans returning from thanksgiving recess urged the president to make the first offer in fiscal cliff negotiations. and they expressed a new openness to raising tax revenue, if democrats agree to make cuts to strengthen medicare and medicaid. >> elections come and go. and when they go the spirit to find common ground becomes greater. >> reporter: georgia republican saxby chambliss and mark warner lead the gang of eight. four senate democrats and four senate republicans, who originally met in 2007 to craft a plan to cut the debt. >> you still don't have a final product after 2 1/2 years. why do shud we have any confidence that the president and the leaders should get anything done i
want to see congress work together on this. president obama says he wants to. john boehner says he wants to. there you have the titans of industry in new york with their rich, mahogany furniture all saying we need to solve this crisis. yet here we are a few weeks away and we're still both sides sticking to their negotiations. there hasn't been a lot on what specifically would you do. this is going to be tight. >> it's going to be tight and everybody should brace themselves before the fiscal cliff comes the fiscal roller coaster and it's going to look dark before either it's totally black as senator mccain likes to say or before it gets done. my bet actually is on getting things done, but i have to say what's depressing about listening to chairman bernanke is how many times we've heard those words before about the last fiscal crisis, whether it's debt ceiling or something else, it really is time for congress to show it can get something done. >> this seems to poll very well, this bipartisanship. you know it. how come there's such difficulty both sides really not willing to nudge off
tell you from having visited john boehner's district north of cincinnati last week the fis cliff maybe an abstract discussion here in washington but out there in southwestern ohio, if we tip back into recession, the economic pain would be very real. middle town and the rest of southwestern ohio has been working its way back economically from the long-term loss of manufacturing jobs and troubles in the auto industry. the last thing this area needs now another economic setback from the fiscal cliff. house speaker boehner and his colleagues in the congressional leadership have founded conciliatory notes about their prospects that sounds like good news here at the local chamber of commerce here in middle town but only up to a point. >> i want to be confident. i want to be optimistic but no i think i would rather be veered at this point. >> reporter: one of the speakers constituents, steve hightower, has a petroleum distribution business, like the economy is doing well. he has known boehner for years and believes the speaker wants to make a deal with president obama to avoid the fiscal clif
for boost®. >>> house speaker john boehner says the country can't afford obama care. joining me for today's strategy session our cnn contributor and democratic strategist donna brazile and senior kriblt tor and editor and chief of redstate.com, erick erickson. thanks for coming in especially on the day after thanksgiving. erick, i want to begin with you. house speaker john boehner wrote this "we can't afford to leave the president's health care law in tact. that's why i've been clear the law has to stay on the table as both parties discuss ways to solve our nation's massive debt challenge." where after this election does the house speaker if you will get the political capital to take this tact? >> well, at first, i have to point out, it's not just the day after thanksgiving, this is during the lsu game that donna and i are here. >> go tigers. >> arkansas. yes, the big game. now as to john boehner, the issue here is many of the states are opting out of state exchanges. there was a quirk when they passed the law nancy pelosi said you have to pass the law to find out what was in it, what was
the president has to say today? >> reporter: speaker john boehner just had a news conference on capitol hill and he expressed frustration because he is saying look, republicans put some tax revenues on the table but what they see the democratic side trying to pull entitlement reforms like medicare off the table. john boehner basically saying he thinks the spending situation is sort of a freight train that is coming at the nation right now. republicans senator mitch mism the leader in the senate -- mitch mcconnell blasted the president of saying he is doing is too much campaigning and not governing. take a listen. >> it is over. he won. congratulations. we have a hard deadline here however. and it is still, he is still out on the campaign trail, kind of celebrating. this is the problem. if the president really wants to reach an dwreechlt he needs to be talking with members of his own party right here in washington trying to broker an agreement, not out there firing up crowds and giving speeches. >> reporter: now the bottom line when you listen to comments like that it is pretty clear both sid
the debt limit unless forced to by john boehner. >> and by the way, john boehner is talking about having to get the majority of a majority on tax issues. he's not going to get a majority of majority on debt raising. >> much harder on the debt ceiling than taxes. >> that's what i'm saying. i refuse to vote to raise a debt ceiling when they were trying to raise it to $5 trillion. it's something you don't do unless you get a lot of cuts on the other side. >> and it's not a game. because if you don't raise it, we saw what happened last time, you can get your debt downgraded and has real economic consequenc consequences. and that's why when people think about the fiscal cliff, we all assume that sane minds will prevail and they'll come up with some deal. there's no guarantee that sane minds will prevail. and recent history would suggest that sanity almost never prevails in washington. so you can assume it's going to be more difficult than we think. you can assume that the bush tax cuts might all go away for a short period of time. and you cannot assume they just raise the debt limit. you cann
and what they are. is allowed john boehner and mitch mcconnell to govern recently. it's about the republican governors passed out ushers at the red states for the 24 states republican governors, republican legislature. blue are the 13 of 40 state spending on how you count new york, 13 of 14 state that a democratic governor and a democratic house and senate. and there you see the red states are not raising taxes. they're cutting taxes in the red states and blue states are raising taxes rather than reforming government. so the fight we're having in washington where there's gridlock in the stage of the opposite of gridlock. for the last two years. "new york times" wrote an article about last week, it's been true for two-year -- >> about the legislators -- >> the legislative in the various states that you've got 24 states if the republicans get together they can turn the state into hong kong or texas. you have 13 maybe 14 states if the democrats because they could turn their state into greece or california. >> we are in washington and the wording goes back to 86, right? >> yes. pa
that there is a war going on, not just in the democratic party, but the republican perhaps much more intense. john boehner is trying to work a deal with the president to do tax reform and entitlement reform and his deputy, the majority leader, calls people like paul ryan, who is now running for vice president. .. >> if you keep doing this, you are going to risk your speakership. the president said when i talked to him, interestingly enough, he said in fixing -- he realizes the magnitude of all of this, as does speaker boehner, key democrats, key republicans realize what it is. and the president literally said to me, i would willingly lose an election if i could solve these problems. it is that serious. tim geithner, the treasury secretary, in the book is quoted thousands of words telling the president, you have got to do something about this problem. we have to fix it. you literally, it's not that we're going to close down the government, we will close down the american economy and, in turn, the global economy. if they do not solve the issue of this runaway spending, get some way to stop borrowing
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